This great massacre was unbelievable, even for the bloody ancient Greek myths. And this evidence, focusing its special emphasis on the Christians and the execution of their leader under Pontius Pilatus in the reign of Tiberius, appears to have come to his attention after he wrote the Histories. Howbeit, one day her bonds were loosed of themselves, and unknown to her keepers she came to her sons cottage, begging that they would take her in. available online @ http://dspace.nwu.ac.za/handle/10394/14213, Your email address will not be published. He cites Richard Carriers 2014 article,The prospect of a Christian interpolation in Tacitus, Annals15.44, in VigiliaeChristianae 68, 26483 as a recent example and source for many of the earlier studies. Danaus agreed to the marriage of his daughters only after Aegyptus came to Argos with his fifty sons in order to protect the local population, the Argives, from any battles. The passage indeed implies that Chrestus the impulsor was in Rome when these events transpired. The presumed authenticity of Tacitus passage (Annals 15:44) has long been a key plank in the case for the existence of an historical Jesus, within the long but lately resurgent question (now popularly referred to as Jesus mythicism) as to whether Jesus actually existed or is a fictional/allegorical character. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Best, John", John Moles, September 2011 (personal email), "I always enjoy reading Neils blog because I think that he is careful, thorough, intellectually fair, and honest. . In a footnote Holmes explains the reference to Danaids and Dircae: "[I]n ancient mythology the daughters of Danaus were given as prizes to the winners of a race; thus it is likely that this is a reference to Christian women being raped prior to being martyred. | Sitemap |. Here is Shaws translation of the passage, beginning at the beginning: A disaster followed. ", "Here I give an admittedly subjective short list, in random order, of useful, high level and regularly updated weblogs on the study of the Old Testament . 2:6-7). 2. . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Thus was he removed from the world. Shaws article is valuable for casting such doubt on a supposedly key Christian martyr tradition, but his particular case is seriously flawed. In Jewish apocalyptic mythology Nero was depicted as a bestial figure, no doubt because the war that ended with the destruction of the Temple was commenced under his reign. A complete bibliography of the translations quoted on this page. This first letter of Clement (a second letter was falsely attributed to him) was copied by the Corinthian Church and circulated all over the empire, rendering the very first papal encyclical. It was so highly regarded by the universal church that for several centuries the Church in Egypt and elsewhere regarded it as one of the New Testament scriptures. Often enough punishments that in some way mimicked the crime were imposed. As far as you are concerned, I've gone beyond the childish, I've transmuted it and saved it, by embodying it in myth. It reflects well on you. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, "This is now bone of my . Wherefore let us give up vain and fruitless cares, and approach to the glorious and venerable rule of our holy calling. Recall Plinys second century letter to the emperor Trajan confessing that he had little idea on how to judge the Christians who were being brought before him. Despite the historians different agenda in the Histories, that silence, I would argue, suggests that a different kind of information had come to the historians attention in the years after he wrote the Histories. Paul says that he went throughout the world preaching that the Gentiles should repent and turn to God, doing works suitable for repentance" (Acts 26:20). "Desiring that all his beloved should be partakers of repentance ". Overlooked or downplayed in the longstanding debate over the Tacitus passage has been the stark fact that no Christian commentator for over three centuries ever refers to a general anti-Christian pogrom by Nero (beyond the legendary executions of Peter and Paul, which are never linked to the fire). The phrase a type of men of a new and evil superstitio, in Shaws assessment, reads very much like Suetoniuss own commentary drawing upon what was known of Christians in his day, in the early second century. Its always gratifying when a reader zeroes in on exactly those aspects I thought were most interesting and most central to my argument. The intelligent Aegyptus wanted to get his sons married to the Danaides. I do need to touch on the two women Clement lists, "the Danaids and Dircae." The expressions of Sulpicius agree, in part, almost word for word with those of Tacitus. The problems here are almost overwhelming. Then, Danaus and his daughters reached Argos, the birthplace of his great-grand-mother, the Argian princess Io. "We are struggling on the same arena, and the same conflict is assigned to both of us.". He made a secret plan to get rid of Aegyptus and his sons for good. unholy insults as Danaids and Dircae, safely reached the goal in the race of faith, and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. I have just sent this letter to the New York Review of books. They should carry jugs of water and fill a basin. I think I was the first to present a comprehensive case (587-630) for the whole Neronian persecution as a consequence of the Great Fire, let alone the idea of any Christian responsibility for it, as being a later myth. [T]he name Chrestus is a very common one, no ancient source makes the identification with Christians, certainly not Suetonius (p. 102). (I imagine the google search in . Whether it happened by chance or by a malicious act of the emperor is uncertain. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. Now turn to the Book of Revelation, and we find that the Nero-like figure who is coming to destroy and kill on a cosmic scale is none other than Christ. The list in the Bibliotheca[3] preserves not only the names of brides and grooms but also those of their mothers. Since Christians are members of Christ's Church and the term Church means those who are called, that must mean that every single believer without exce Isnt Advent great? Grace and repentance go hand in hand. St. Clement was the bishop of Rome and third in succession from St. Peter. I like Hurtados works on Christology, but at the same time I have to be alert to the fact that he has conveniently found arguments that support his personal Christian beliefs so one does need to read his critics at the same time. The trope of the jealous spouse delating his wife to Roman authorities inthe city of Rome is also found in the writings of Justin Martyr who was probably writing in the mid-second century. 2) Christiani/oi designated people as adherents or partisans of Christ, and not the fictive sons/daughters of someone. The book is set and revised in Rome, but was not written there, and dates from the mid-2nd century. Its worth comparing in detail with the alternative arguments that the entire passage is a later forgery. "When Alexandros [Alexander the Great] the son of Philippos led his forces against Thebes the gods sent them signs and portents presaging their imminent fate . What seems to have happened under Claudius and then again under Nero is the temporary banishment of some Jewish sectarians from the city of Rome, but not, in any event, persons who would logically have been labelled at the time as a new and evil superstitio, words which were used only much later by Roman officials to label Christians. Tacitus presents no problems for Shaw until he gets to that part where Nero feels forced to deal with rumours relating toresponsibility for the fire. The first unequivocal mention of the Neronian persecution in connection with the burning of Rome is found in the forged correspondence of Seneca and the apostle Paul, which belongs to the fourth century. ", Nonnus, Dionysiaca 44. Not just in reference to a Tacitus account of such an event, but in any discussion of the tradition of martyrdom in their own history, something which Christian writers were continually fixated upon, from Clement to Tertullian to Eusebius. They were to marry the 50 sons of Danaus' twin brother Aegyptus, a mythical king of Egypt. A DIFFERENT VIEW OF CLEMENS ROMANUS A DIFFERENT VIEW OF CLEMENS ROMANUS WILHELMHOOIJBERGH, A. E. 1975-07-01 00:00:00 While the writer was studying the first epistle of Clement to the Corinthians with a view to getting a clearer idea as to the conception of sin among the Apostolic Fathers some questions arose. But then when explaining whom Nero scapegoatedTacitusenters the realm of anachronism. It advocated a racially integrated German nation at the heart of a central European customs union, the basis of a united states of Europe. The result is a few phrases in a single passage testifying to the Neronian persecution of Christians because of the fire of Rome and it is constructed fromanachronisms. I call them amateurs only for the reason that they dont have, so far as I know, advanced degrees in the subject. The Law of Moses could not deliver from sin or give the power to overcome it, but "what the Law could not do, God did by sending his Son" (Rom. . when he had completed his Histories. But I have often been impressed with their grasp of logic and analysis of scholarship. So, please continue to delve deeply and share this intellectual sustenance with your grateful readers. I love this passage. Looking forward to more segments. (I) Why does Clement quote so many texts of the Old Testament and only a few words . Neil is the author of this post. The author writes that there was a "great multitude furnished us with a most excellent example." He names two women (Danaids and Dircae) who were "persecuted after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments." (Chapter 7) He "admonishes" them, but doesn't offer any sort of command. I really should have included chapter 6 with chapters 3-5 because it is just a continuation. . papyrus 115 says 616 which i feel was referring to Nero . The purpose of the current article is to address a question to which scholars devoted considerable thought: the identity of the Christian women whom Clement of Rome called Danads and Dircae in his First Epistle to the Corinthians. When Belus died, he ordered Danaus king of Libya and Aegyptus, king of Arabia. Afterwards, they remarried by choosing their mates in footraces (or their father bestowed them to the victors of the athletic contest[2]). In 1910,[41] the Hungarian poet Mihly Babits published his poem The Danaids, translated into English by Peter Zollman[42] and Istvn Ttfalusi.[43]. On account of jealousy women, when they had been persecuted as Danaids and Dircae, and had suffered cruel and unholy insults, safely reached the goal in the race of faith and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. By grace we can have the power of repentance and overcome sin. The entirety of his focus in condemning Nero concentrates on the preaching of Peter and Paul at Rome and the effects of their ideas in the city. In other versions of the myth, Danaus himself united Hypermnestra and Lynceus instead.[2]. of an individual, and merge them with the art or ideas that belong to the childhood of a people. At the same time a Nero myth was maturingamong the lower classes. 232-241). Some time Id like to set out all the points of the various arguments Dohertys, Carriers, Shaws, (and Drews and others) and (preferably in collaboration with others) apply them all to a Bayesian analysis. There are intelligent, thoughtful comments and commenters regularly offering productive discussion. What is missing in the punishments described, however, is anything suggesting a Christian association. Ill try to offer something more substantial than 'Thank you' in response at some point, but I didnt want to wait . ", "Id like to thank you for this very nice representation of what I was trying to show in the book. In the most common version of the myth, all but one of them killed their husbands on their wedding night, and are condemned to spend eternity carrying water in a sieve or perforated device. Did the following really happen? Rather, the punishments Suetonius speaks of may well have been one of the occasional banishments from Rome that Jews experienced. The entirety of his focus in condemning Nero concentrates on the preaching of Peter and Paul at Rome and the effects of their ideas in the city. Thus the precious blood of Christ that was shed for our salvation sets "the grace of repentance" before all of us. never happened. Most evangelicals believe that Jesus died to pay for all our sins so that we will no longer be judged for what we do. But how could the legend arise that Nero was the first to persecute the Christians? 2:12). In the Metamorphoses, [1] Ovid refers to them as the Belides after their grandfather Belus. Dirke was originally the wife of King Lykos (Lycus) of Thebes who, as punishment for the mistreatment of her niece Antiope, was tied to a wild bull and torn limb from limb. The following is from a review of H. Dixon Slingerlands Claudian Policymaking and the Early Imperial Repression of Judaism at Rome reviewed by Erich S. Gruen, University of California, Berkeley, http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1998/98.7.02.html. Soon the sons of Aegyptus presented themselves to the palace and asked once more to marry the Danaides. Nero had somehow come to be connected with the Christians; Christians were linked to thosewho were punished after the Great Fire. Well, I essentially said all of this and presented all of this evidence (and more) in my 2009 book Jesus: Neither God Nor Man. Dirke was probably the same as the nymphe Derketis. 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