Paul would never have slowed down on his preaching to write the books in the bible we have to learn from, so God put him in prison. And most Evangelical pastors who read the Bible spend most of their time listening to the voice of Paul, so they become like Paul. But I digress, James, we had a good run. It is comparing the words of Jesus with the words of Paul (and other men) regarding which one is the Most Important Commandment and which one is the Second commandment, which together fulfill the Law and the Prophets. The reason why the Essenes left and went into the desert was because they believed the Pharisee were to lax in their laws and punishment in the Sanhedrin. Paul's impact on Christianity is enormous and cannot be overstated. For example, are we missing any casuistry from Gamaliel which might demonstrate Gamaliels dissent from Hillel in specific cases presenting unique facts? The rabbi Gamaliel was a Pharisee in the tradition of the great Hillel. I think Jesus was God incarnate, but the preaching in Acts 2-3 that brings the increasingly violent reaction is that the Jews killed their true messiah and God raised him from the dead, *and* that he is coming back to judge the nation (starting with Caiaphas?). Deuteronomy 29:29. (Also to other eyewitness testimony, recorded by Mark and Luke.) Paul wrote: The entire law is summed up in a SINGLE command: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18], And again, Paul wrote: He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. Removing that aspect will cause misunderstanding of what they were teaching. Critics also say that Pauls exegesis takes from later documents. Perhaps on the basis of a preserved tradition that he oversaw the body of St. Stephen. therefore I urge you to imitate me, and I have become all things to all men. Paul thinks hes Boss, and doesnt need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.. https://readingacts.com/2011/09/06/paul-a-hebrew-of-the-hebrews/. Paul (previously called Saul of Tarsus; c. 5 - c. 64/65 AD), commonly known as Paul the Apostle and Saint Paul, was a Christian apostle who spread the teachings of Jesus in the first-century world. Who was the famous Jewish teacher under whom St. Paul studied? How dare he question the words of our Great Apostle Paul ? I think the point was not that Jesus was the Messiah, but rather that Peter and John are stating that the High Priest killed the Messiah and God vindicated him by raising him from the dead. That is absolutely incorrect. But this seems to be where the peaceful teachings of Gamaliel shine stronger. Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. In fact in the book of John Jesus is pointed out as a Pharisee. Bibliography: Bruce Chilton, Rabbi Jesus 28-47; Gamaliel in ABD 2:904. According to the Hebrew Bible, the tabernacle (Hebrew: , mishkn, meaning "residence" or "dwelling place"), also known as the Tent of the Congregation ( 'hel m', also Tent of Meeting, etc. In Galatians 1:21, Paul wrote, "I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia .". gamaliel was the greatest of the teachers of the pharisees, perhaps of all time, because he was said to have known the law at a doctorate level, so it was with great wisdom that he told the. The Bible says clearly that Paul in his words said he was a Paharisee and he that he sat under the teachings of Gamaliel. There were several rebellions in Jerusalem regarding the building of gymnasiums. Christian Pharisees were not unknown, even if we cannot know for sure if the wishful thinking of the traditions is true about Gamaliel and Nicodemus. I regularly answer your lengthy and off topic responses. Paul = "little". / 2 Tim. Modern day Christianity has more of its roots in Constantine. He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. R. N. Not 1 as in 3 in 1. The Lord Our God is ONE God Greatest Commandment according to the Messiah (p). One special person, alone, with special words, and a special title, who could never be WRONG. Within Acts 22 he mentions how he zealously persecuted the followers of the Way, something that up until that point, had not been done by anyone within Judaism to that extent. Kind of long and wordy. And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable? Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. Study sets, textbooks, questions. There is so much theological supposing these days! If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Youre putting your western views on a Hebraic book that is of near eastern culture. I am surprised that no one has brought the tradition that Gamaliel was sympathetic to Christianity, if not himself baptized. I know! Jesus never said anything like that. I will punt the description of the Shammites back to Wright, I have read extensively on the topic, but the characterization he gives in *What Saint Paul Really Thought* is a bit more than I think the evidence can bear. Polhill does say So perhaps around the age of fourteen to sixteen Pawl went to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel (Polhill 30). So even if he did go off at the age of 15 then that is still 15 years of being influenced by his father. Is it a commentary on the book of Acts in blog form? Well, I did take a few music classes there part-time for two or three semesters, and one time, Marco Barrientos was a substitute teacher in one of my classes for maybe 45 minutes. take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). Therefore, he must have planted these groups himself. Written in stone. What could be more permanent than that? Mantra: ..and Muhammad is his prophet., .3) Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed Apostle to the Gentiles, whose 13 letters comprise one third of what, today, we call the New Testament. (The first, original New Testament was composed by the second century heretic Marcion, and he coined the term New Testament. His new book contained nothing except 10 of Pauls letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts. As sort of my own counter point against my first paragraph, It is not surprising then that Paul acts out the way he does. There are things which are not revealed and there are things which are revealed to us. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read.. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism.. It sounds so right, so intelligent, so professional, so godly.. but it is fundamentally flawed. His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). That is incorrect. This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. Some of its magic, some its tragic, but Ive had a good life along the way. -Jimmy Buffett. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. The game the dogs play is the same today, Except now they do it on blogs. Just as Muslims believe that Muhammad never intentionally disobeyed God, Roman Catholics believe Mary was sinless and Evangelical Christians think its heresy to state flatly Paul was WRONG., The Apostle Matthew recorded that at Jesus baptism, A voice from heaven said, This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. [Matthew 3:17], In Gospel of Mark (Mark recorded the teaching of the Apostle Peter), we read: a voice came from the cloud: This is my Son, whom I love. In regards to Gamaliel, based off of Acts 5:35-40, he seemed to be a wise teacher. The words of Jesus are superior to the words of everyone else in the Bible and to everyone else in the world. Who was Gamaliel in the Bible? He tells his readers that he is "a Hebrew of Hebrews.". How long will you waver between two opinions? How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.) We do not know if either Gamaliel or Paul heard Jesus preach or were part of any of the meetings which led to his death. The Apostle Paul met him during his second missionary journey and he became Paul's companion and missionary partner along with Silas. While he agrees with Gamaliel, Paul wants to protect that which he loves. Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. Although he was born in Tarsus in Cilicia, Paul spent a considerable amount of time in Jerusalem under the tutelage of Gamaliel in the strict manner of the law of the Jews (Acts 22:3). But we surely can trust that Paul was as Acts 22:3 states: I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.. God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. You seem to parrot some of his words in your replies. I find this convincing since Paul seems, at least in part, to return to Gamaliels tutelage after his conversion. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Jesus and the Original Apostles knew what an Apostle is better than anyone else in the world. So youd rather channel Constantine, anti semetic church fathers and bad book from amazon from authors who know absolutely nothing about Judaism or what they are even reading. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . While Gamaliel was seemingly somewhat relaxed in his view of the Torah, Paul seemed to take it so seriously, that he believed the Christians truly did deserve to be persecuted for believing in a false Messiah. Darris McNeely - Dec 7, 2022 | In this class we will discuss Acts 5:26-41 thru Acts 6:1-7 and notice the following events: the apostles being persecuted by the Sanhedrin for teaching in Christ's name; how a Pharisee named Gamaliel spoke up on behalf of the apostles; and the choosing of seven men to help the disciples distribute food. Rabbinical eras Chazal Zugot Tannaim Amoraim Savoraim Geonim Rishonim Acharonim v t e In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor The false teaching about one rule is the false teaching of the Pharisees of Pauls day, and Paul the Pharisee was pushing this false teaching. He wrote the book on NT theology, and developed a missionary strategy that evangelized the western Roman empireso maybe three or four degrees at least. Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. We can now understand as they did then, what God wills, what Christ said, and His ambassadors taught. Its all a part of Gods perfect timing and plan. But that isnt the only meaning, or even the first and primary meaning. References to Paul's ancestry and youth. On page 38 Polhil writes, Paul certainly showed more the attitude of the zealots than of Gamaliel. Polhil also mentions in Phillipians 3:5-6, Paul refers to his persecuting in close connection with his zeal for the law. Polhil then mentions that a modern Zionist would have a yearning for the independence of the nation and the restoration of the glory of the temple by the Messiah. After reading our sections it seems to me that although Paul studied under Gamaliel, his actions resembled more closely to the Shammaite party. Never mind what Paul said. Jesus came to fulfill Law and Prophets and He will. [1 & 2 Corinthians.}. By claiming to have been under the teaching of this particular rabbi, Paul is claiming to have been educated in a most impressive way. Good point. . 3. The NIV headings were not part of the original text, and sometimes they can be misleading, but in this case I believe the heading is right on. I appreciate your many responses to this thread.as I wrote this response you have added a few more! The Astounding Conversion of Paul Matthew built on Marks work, using it as a backbone, and filling out more background details, and references to The Law, The Prophets, and Psalms, etc. Who did Apostle Paul study under? He uses this in Philippians 3:12-14 to describe the Christian walk. I dont think breakthrough in our faith randomly happens. Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like Definition of 'epistle', 5 Common Denominators of an Epistle, T/F - Christ is a relationship not a religion and more. This isnt the fullest description of him, but its full enough. Therefore, what Saul was taught was not based off of Gods truth. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. Helpful. The cornerstone of Judaism then and now is that although it has guidelines it also leaves rooms for free thought. Just moments earlier, they had almost killed the apostle Paul. The revelation of the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ (Gal 1:12), most probably in Arabia. . For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. a. Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. (Eastern Orthodox). Blessings following the Jesus of the Gospels. Neither Paul, nor James, nor Luke were with Jesus and the Apostles the whole time, so they were not qualified to be a witness with the Apostles of Jesus resurrection, which is what it means to be an Apostle. When we look at Pauls teachings and testimony about himself, (in his letters that make up 1/3 of the New Testament,) we should NOT immediately ask ourselves; what did Paul say, what did Paul mean, and how does this apply to my life? The fundamental question is NOT what was in the mind of Paul?, Before any of that, the FIRST question to ask is; does Paul agree with Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?, Paul contradicted himself, and his teachings and testimony about himself dont harmonize with the teachings of Jesus (or with Lukes record of his life.) ), In essence, it is also the same principle as what Eve did in the Garden of Eden, forgetting about the Tree of Life, which is the first tree in the middle of the Garden, and instead referring to the second tree as the tree that is in the middle of the garden. [Genesis 3:3 & 2:9 2:17, 3:24], Kind of like the Pharisees with Jesus, who were pushing the false idea that we can consider ONE commandment in the Law, alone in isolation, to be the greatest commandment in the Law., Or like today, false teachers in the Chrislam Purpose Driven Seeker Sensitive Emergent Liberal Ecumenical New Age world church movement pushing the false idea that the ONE RULE is Loving God and Neighbor together.. Then the Paulist Establishment church wont persecute me, but the other Jesus People will know that Im still keeping the faith and not inhaling., What I really need is a short catchy slogan to let my fellow hippies know what is expected of them in the Establishment Church now in 1973, regarding the issue of Paul the Pharisees sins. Helpful. So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. Silence since March now its June. !hum !! [Acts 18}, .5) Paul acting as an abusive absentee overseer / pastor to the Church in Corinth years after he abandoned them, and clinging to all power and claim to control of money and all aspects of the church ministry, while he was hundreds of miles away teaching full-time in his own school in Ephesus. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. A better resource would be Shaye Cohen, The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties (University of California Press, 2001). Whom did Paul study under? I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. As has been said multiple times above, it is fairly common for a pupil to break off from his teachers opinion. He states not only is he a Pharisee, but where he studied and what tribe he is from. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. Gamaliel was the grandson of Hillel, the most renowned rabbi in Jewish history. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". First off reading the first paragraph, his human teachers and influences matter almost as much as guidance by the Holy Spirit did. This notion is wrong. That is the order of address in near eastern culture and especially the Sanhedrin, being the Nazarite or the one ran by corrupted Pharisee and Sadducee. The issue wasnt the Torah, the issue it was the corrupted law that man attached to the Torah. They didnt celebrate easter, christmas, saunday. No one. There is also a fair bit of controversy about Paul. Second, Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, so we can get an approximate early date for Pauls education. To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. Since I am teaching through Paul and his Letters again this fall, I thought I would revisit that older post and provide some additional thoughts on Gamaliel as background for reading Paul. Even though Gamaliel was the one who stated in Acts 5:34-39 that if this Jesus movement were from God there would be no way to stop it, they should just let it run its course, Paul was still influenced heavily by the persecution mindset that the rest of the Sanhedrin had. The irony is what youre doing is exactly what Paul said NOT to do. I think Sam is right (somewhere up the thread), one can differ from his teacher, sometimes radically. So get to work! As much as I appreciate you keeping an almost 4 year old thread alive, you just do not contribute much to the conversation. The homeowners friend, the painting contractor, apologized, and explained: I hired a new foreman named Paul, but that was a huge mistake. Acts 22:3 - "I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of Besides Jesus, all the characters in the Bible had frailties- like Jonah and Paul. If he came to cancel the law why is he adhering and implementing Torah and following the laws passed by the Sanhedrin? This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. Finally in Troas, Paul received a vision of a man asking them to go into Macedonia (modern-day Greece). But what do I do with this truth? I meant to say for rejecting Mohammed (p) and worshipping a man who said worship God alone, Jesus (p), and adding a third God to the 1 and His son making a pagan Trinity, Christianity is anathema to its worshipped human founder (in name only and in Greek at that) who said OUR God is ONE worship HIM!. I found Pauls athletic references to be really intriguing as well Emily. Paul claims in Philippians 3 to be a Hebrew of the Hebrews, some people take that as a saying we spoke Hebrew at home, not Greek or Aramaic. Acts 21:39 - "But Paul said, ' am a Jew from Tarsus, in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city . Same question; What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? 2 : any of numerous moths whose gregarious larvae spin communal nests usually in trees. IMHO, most of the sports analogies are from the Olympic styled games which were found throughout the empires. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. Hmmmm.. He was also a hellene or hellenized jew of the diaspora as part of the culture of the greeks so he was also schooled in Greek logic and would have been knowledgeable in the classics of Plato and Aristotle, Stoism and Epicureanism. Paul, before his conversion, tended to be more like the Shammaites in that he was fairly violent and full of persecution. I will call him a liar . St. Gamaliel, also Gamaliel the Elder or or Rabbi Gamaliel I (Hebrew: ; Greek: ) was a Pharisee who was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, a doctor of the Law (Acts 5:34-40), and the teacher of St Paul (Acts 22:3). Why ignore the words of our Lord God Jesus Christ, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets? Belivers in Yeshua adhered to Lev, 23 and worshipped on the true shabbat. Based on whats happening in Israel, it looks like Jesus could be returning soon. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Phillip J. Long- Sorry i have nothing to learn from replacement theology or of Constantine Christianity followers who believe that somehow eventhough the book is filled with Jews or converts practicing Judaism is magically replaced by ridiculous made up church doctrine. Happy Pentecost 2017 All praise be to Jesus. I trust that no one is offended and that as a result of this comment, we might get closer to Him, The Truth. I am truly a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as you all are this day. So 7:12 cannot stand alone as One Commandment. The issue is that the massive influx of gentiles into the sect are causing problems by bringing in gentile customs, natural born Jews adhearing to traditions that contradict Torah. The notion was given classic expression only a little more than a century ago by the biblical scholar John William Burgon. Well Maybe that spirit isnt the Holy Spirit of Jesus, maybe you are bound in spirit by the evil spirit of Paul the Pharisee. (I dare you to use this in your class), I know a girl made of memories and phrases, lives her whole life in chapters and phases -Jimmy Buffett. If probably, then how would we know whether Paul ever pulled a rare Justice Rehnquist move, where Rehnquist sides with liberal Justices and dissents against conservatives in weird and inexplicable single cases or two? When Saul encountered the Lords voice in Acts chapter 9, it makes me question if Saul had been hearing the Lords voice sooner, but he was not listening? No, im based in Missouri. His seeds are seeds of oppression and bondage. Pauls speech and thought directly lines up with the teachings of Hillel. How about you? The Fast is known as Yom Kippur. I have also posted dozens of articles on the literature of the Second Temple Period, all of which ought to interest you. I dont see specifically that Paul trained leaders of house churches to carry on the work after he left- but maybe Im missing something. The teachings he received included "the perfect manner of the law of the fathers" (Acts 22:3). Had Paul studied under the great rabbi Gamaliel, he would have learnt the scriptures in the Hebrew lan. Things which are unclear, those must remain that way until the Holy Spirit reveal them to each and everyone of us according to the level of grace , and most importantly, for a particular purpose, We born again believers do not read to know like them, but we read to live. But i am just speculating here. I would like to check that reference if possible. Take a piece of scripture and make nutty doctrines/traditions out of them. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. He came so we can turn from darkness And into His glorious light. Dr. Forgive me, but it easier to cite the following from the Wikipedia. And I need to save a throne for my mom, or shell be mad. Nave's Topical Index. This status gave him special privileges, and in some cases saved him from abuse (Acts 22:25-29). Why never quesiton his testimony about himself that he never intentionally disobeyed God, is the sinless ever-virgin, and said; I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some? "From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land." Maybe, from what I have seen of him he does not go to great lengths on anything. If the mere thought of questioning Pauline Doctrine or Pauls truthfulness ruffles your feathers, its a sign that Pauls rotten spiritual fruit has taken root in your life. If I did something it MUST be right Dont use the Scripture to shed any light Dont do as I say, do as I do and then you can be a Pharisee too. Or is it possible that Paul privately harbored more overall agreement with Gamaliel/Hillel than with Shammaite Pharisees, and that Paul felt himself to be a lone dissenter in rare cases (Christians) against his former masters legal hermeneutics of mercy? get up set if you want ,,but Paul was that , dont believe it ? You need to read more than later recollections of what Hillell and Shammai said (ie.,, Mishnah and Talmud, both much later than the New Testament and there is a great discussion in scholarship over how much of that material reflects the real world of the first century). Well see in your other articles. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. It seems that Pauls upbringing and learning under Gamaliel would have to play some role in the way that he thought, taught, and formed his theology. According to tradition, Gamaliel and Nicodemus buried Saint Stephen outside of Jerusalem. I started following this discussion because I wanted to find out more about Gamaliel, but this thread has thrown up many more points about the Apostles and St Paul in particular. I will leave that to the Ruah, my rabbi and the Yeshiva (that ive been attending for years) I attend. Why insist that the words of this one special person automatically override the words of Jesus and everyone else in all history, and he doesnt need to have a second witness to confirm his testimony? Created by. Several people objected that it does not really matter who Pauls human teachers were, after his conversion experience he was taught by the Holy Spirit. Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. 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